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Subject: RE: FLASH: Dilemma
From: patrickf
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:14:32 +0100

I forgot to mention that my friend got strong-armed into accepting the project on GE's
terms... not his normal contract. His contract is very similar to mine... they insisted on $0 up
front and full payment net 60. It's entirely probable that this was simply an example of a
manager acting independently of the organization. I'm not bashing GE Capital. They have
much bigger lawyers than I do!!

Patrick


> ** Original Subject: RE: FLASH: Dilemma
> ** Original Sender: patrickfatbestweb [dot] net
> ** Original Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:53:41 -0500 (EST)

> ** Original Message follows...

>
> Say, very politely, "I'm sorry you feel that way, but my terms are very reasonable. Have a
> nice day", and walk. A friend of mine just got screwed by GE Capital (you might have
heard
> of them) on a very similar project. All through development it was "Looks great! Fantastic
> job!".... the day of the presentation it was "It went great! No hitches! Everybody loved
it!"...
> when it came time to collect it was "The presentation was flawed, nothing worked, we
were
> very disappointed, we don't pay for sub-standard deliverables".
> Soooo......... My contract stipulates 50% of estimate upon contract signing, 25% of
estimate
> upon design sign-off, and 25% plus any overruns (documented and signed-off changes
> approved by client) and expenses upon delivery. I've had one or two balks, and learned
> later that the people they DID hire got screwed. So I'm very comfortable with my terms.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: FLASH: Dilemma
> > ** Original Sender: "Brian" <mattoneatbhip [dot] infi [dot] net>
> > ** Original Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:10:54 -0500 (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > I have a bit of a dilemma that I would like to get some advice about.
> >
> > I have the chance to produce a presentation in Flash for a client who's
> > looking to get it done by April 24th. Basically it doesn't sound like a
> > particularly over-the-top hard job per se, but I'm still a bit of a newbie
> > when it comes to Flash - in particular the programming aspects of it. But I
> > figured if nothing else I have a friend who knows Flash real well and this
> > list to act as resources should I run into trouble.
> >
> > The main problem, however, is that I asked for what I considered a typical
> > freelancing payment deal - a third down up front, another third at some
> > milesone point, and the rest upon completion of the project. This was
> > rejected by the client, and from the best information I have it seems like
> > as if I wouldn't see a dime for my efforts until the project was completed.
> > This is a company who has a service that ranks third in the world (it
> > involves software that bundles e-mail, voice-mail and faxes into one
> > integrated accessible area, namely Microsoft Outlook), and I've visited
> > their offices, so they're for real as far as I can tell, and they have their
> > own system set in place to ensure fairness to both sides of a deal such as
> > the one I'm debating entering into.
> >
> > But I have a wife and three kids (and a cat) and I've been laid off since
> > December and freelancing is a hard business and quite frankly, I don't think
> > I need to settle for not getting something up front so I can feed these
> > people and pay some bills.
> >
> > What opinion does anyone have here?
> >
> > -Brian Matthews
> > http://www.angelfire.com/fl/sapringer
> >
> >
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