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| Subject: | Re: FLASH: Alcazar site//In Reponse To The Russ Response |
| From: | Russell E. Unger |
| Date: | Fri, 28 May 1999 10:01:08 +0100 |
>So you own this list now - you and 'ol Russ there....
Woohoo! I own the list! woo hoo!
>I SATE DFOR THE LAST TIME - designed by Alcazar - Inspired by MY HERO GABO
>and Shit are you blind! this is NOT the gabo revolver at all JUST THE
>PHUCKING CONCEPT!!
Why is he now your hero when you've been saying "LoOkee...sEe iF iN oL'GaBo
hisSelF could Do ThAt oNe, eH, Yo?!"
Make up your mind, get a new caps-lock and a new "DJT to English converter"
and let us know something a bit more along the lines of professional.
>Lets all jump on the bandwagon and hit on 'ol DJT Piper!! - you are talking
>to a person that deals with "real life" and morons every weekend - NOT -
>just nerd'ish lil designers bud :Þ
We had a saying back in my school when I was growing up..."If all the
teachers don't like the student, it's probably NOT the fault of all the
teachers..."
Let me ask you, again, to do the math.
Kindest regards,
Russ
>Kind Regards
>DJT - Pieter
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CAyala
tradeline [dot] net [CAyalatradeline [dot] net (mailto:CAyalatradeline [dot] net)]>Sent: 27 May 1999 05:12
>To: flasher
shocker [dot] com>Subject: Re: FLASH: Alcazar site//In Reponse To The Russ Response
>
>
>Hey Russ,
>As much as i wanted to mail you off list i decided against it and mailed it
>directly to the list.
>Quite frankly, when the original poster of Alcazar/Alcatraz/whatever, came
>back with his little bitch-ass defensive response to your post and John
>Bryz's, i wanted to come out and bitch slap him NYC style....But i held off
>and waited.....for your response.....and then it came...so now i write.
>First off i'd like to say that you were very articulate and educated in
>your response......something that i am not capable of, i am just not that
>articulate or educated, maybe he'll learn something from it.
>Secondly...i have been on this list for approx a year now and i have read
>90% of the posts to this list and i have, (and all of you who have been
>around that long or longer can verify this), never read such an overly
>defensive, and highly offensive post as Peter Piper's over there.
>The site....well, i dont care what anyone says, its a rip off and
>sucks...its poorly laid out, its massive for the lack of content it
>contains..and i am sure the only people that will actually stick around are
>those that frequent the club....i know the majority wont...and as far as:
>"Here is a lil challenge RUSS - "TRY to Copy that site ROFL!"" First off
>and i speak for the list.....WE ARE NOT COPY_CATZ, WE DO NOT COPY, WE ARE
>ORIGINAL AND CREATIVE FOLKS'ROUND HERE, UNLIKE YOURSELF....
>And secondly the moment i saw this lil out-take, i took the site..cracked
>it wide open...and now i am considering put it live on net with my version
>of it......but, then again maybe i will just show it to members of this
>list and we will laugh privately, and then again maybe i won't do it at
>all.....Mr. Piper will never know.
>I apologize to all members of this list for the rant....but this sorry-ass
>designer pissed me off and offended me when he offended a true member/s of
>this list.
>
>Thats it for me i wont comment any further......i feel much better now.
>
>
>
>Carlos
>CMA3 Designs NYC
>
>At 09:17 AM 5/27/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Okay, this is going to keep me from being in the shower right now, but
>>you've got a few finer points to learn here.
>>
>>>RUSS:
>>>------------
>>>ERM RUSS ... IT IS A. L. C. A. Z. A. R NOT A. L. C. A. T. R. A. Z
>>
>>
>>>>From one flash designer to another...
>>>
>>>Personally I think you should learn somming about Flash3 first then
insult
>>a
>>>site that only has 600k bandwidth and do all the stuff that site does...
>>
>>
>>You asked for a site review. You got a site review. Good and bad, we get
>>them/give them all the time. If you cannot handle the negatives with the
>>positives, don't go asking for them and insulting those of us who bother
to
>>spend the time checking out your work.
>>
>>If you want to knock my spelling, then, erm, it's SOMETHING not somming,
>and
>>I think that there may be a few to argue my knowledge of Flash3.
>>
>>The 600k bandwidth issue: In HTML, a NON-STREAMING media, the high-end
>that
>>I work with is 35k per page. If you're going to talk to someone as if
they
>>know nothing, then you really should do more homework. Other than that
>fact
>>that there are some die-hard Flashers here, you need to understand that
>>there are some die-hard designers here, as well. What we'll tell you is
>>that 600k smix-hundred-k; it's too long to wait for an average end user
>that
>>is still at approximately 28k and who's interest span is roughly 10
seconds
>>per page.
>>
>>You do the math.
>>
>>>Secondly you should also bear in mind that FLASH4 is out one of these
days
>>>and that Alcazar ver4 is on the way that will EVEN be smaller and load
>even
>>>faster doing EXACTLY the same and more...
>>
>>
>>I don't think that *I* need to bear that in mind in the least; we've all
>>known it was/is coming. Flash 5 is coming one of these days, too, but
>>that's not going to make me wait to see how much quicker your site loads.
>>This is rapidly going from me offering you professional criticism to you
>>creating a pissing contest.
>>
>>>You comment sux buddio and ... that is NOT positive critisizm if I ever
>saw
>>>it thanx for the kind wording moron.
>>
>>
>>Then *do NOT* ask for criticism on this list. Period. As a site, it
>sucks.
>>As a presentation on a CD, it's quite nice. I'm not changing my stance
>here
>>because you cannot present yourself in a professional manner.
>>
>>>BTW - where is you lil site so I can have a lil laugh too ...
>>
>>
>>I'll happily email you samples of work of done, as well as a copy of the
>>article I've consulted on for Flash, off-line, if you'd like that.
There's
>>no need to repost these sites and the work I've done when the people here
>>have already seen it.
>>
>>>And I repeat myself again ... the GABO wheel was a challenge to me and
>grew
>>>into that ... I am NOT going to re-build the whole thing just to please
>ppl
>>>like YOU.
>>
>>
>>Congratulations; it's not about the fact that you "grew into that".
That's
>>great; a lot of learning comes from repurposing other work. Repurposing.
>>No one asked you to rebuild your site. Perhaps rebuild your negative
>>attitude; we're all here to help and when a new user hops on and throws
>this
>>type of a response onto the list, it does nothing but push the collective
>>"us" further away from helping others, and that's not the way it should
>>work, at all.
>>
>>>Here is a lil challenge RUSS - "TRY to Copy that site ROFL!"
>>
>>
>>I *try* not to copy anyone else's work...at least not with permission for
>>the repurpose, first.
>>
>>Best of luck to you in your professional endeavors.
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>>Kind Regards
>>>DJT (Pieter Olwage)
>>>http://www.alcazar.co.za
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Russell E. Unger [runger
zaxcoms [dot] com (mailto:rungerzaxcoms [dot] com)]>>>Sent: 25 May 1999 06:37
>>>To: flasher
shocker [dot] com>>>Subject: FLASH: Alcatraz site
>>>
>>>
>>>I must admit to liking this site...as a presentaiton...but, a 650k web
>>>site? Plus additional loading from within? I find it hard to believe
>>>that the end user was thought of in the creation of this site; more so
>>>that the ego of a decent Flasher, instead.
>>>
>>>It has some great stuff to it, but I'm failing to see why so much
>>>bandwidth was used, and I am curious to know why Gabo/Revolver stuff was
>>>repurposed...I mean, it's okay to do that sort of thing, but I'd be
>>>hesitant to showing it to other Flashers, if I did that.
>>>
>>>I think the whole thing would go better on the CD that the club
>>>offers...perhaps as the "enhanced" part of it all. I mean it; it's a
>>>nice piece and there's some nice and cool stuff inside of it, but as a
>>>web site...well, it sucks.
>>>
>>>Of course, as usual, I could be extremely wrong here.
>>>
>>>Russ
>>>
>>>
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>>Russell E. Unger
>>ZAX Communications
>>Multimedia & Internet Design & Development
>>630.953.9320 :tel
>>630.223.6916 :vm/pgr
>>pager
zaxcoms [dot] com (text messaging via pager)>>
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