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Subject: RE: FLASH: Alcazar site
From: Olwage, Pieter
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:08:40 +0100

Russ

Erm .. I did NOT ask for a crit .. I just got it...!

:)

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell E. Unger [rungeratzaxcoms [dot] com (mailto:rungeratzaxcoms [dot] com)]
Sent: 28 May 1999 10:08
To: flasheratshocker [dot] com
Subject: Re: FLASH: Alcazar site


Pieter:

Like what? what?

Could you be courteous enough to at least let me know which one of my very
valid points against your egotistical rants and raves that you are
attempting to shake down?

Look, I'd appreciate it, as would many of the other reputable flashers, if
you'd just stop it. No one is any further interested in how you'll attack
Russ,etc. next.

It's old. It's pre-teen. It's pre-Phantom Menace. It's pre-mature...that
is, before mature.

Just knock it off. Admit that you asked for criticism and people gave you
open and honest criticism in this forum--which is something we ALL do for
each other--and you couldn't take a negative comment and have forced
yourself to come up with certain justifications for them...including
attempts at belittling people who are beyond your professional capacities,
or lack thereof.

Until you are willing to understand and respect this community, please cease
and decist.

Kindest regards,

Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: Olwage, Pieter <POlwageatfnb [dot] co [dot] za>
To: 'flasheratshocker [dot] com' <flasheratshocker [dot] com>
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 3:01 AM
Subject: RE: FLASH: Alcazar site


>RUSS:
>
>Like what? - remember that you are looking at an old site LOL - version 3.0
>is yet to be released :)) MUCH Smaller - Loads Faster (half the time -
>keeping the effect) and have even better effects in it :)
>
>Kind Regards
>DJT - Pieter Olwage
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Russell E. Unger [rungeratzaxcoms [dot] com (mailto:rungeratzaxcoms [dot] com)]
>Sent: 27 May 1999 04:18
>To: flasheratshocker [dot] com
>Subject: FLASH: Alcazar site
>
>
>Okay, this is going to keep me from being in the shower right now, but
>you've got a few finer points to learn here.
>
>>RUSS:
>>------------
>>ERM RUSS ... IT IS A. L. C. A. Z. A. R NOT A. L. C. A. T. R. A. Z
>
>
>>>From one flash designer to another...
>>
>>Personally I think you should learn somming about Flash3 first then insult
>a
>>site that only has 600k bandwidth and do all the stuff that site does...
>
>
>You asked for a site review. You got a site review. Good and bad, we get
>them/give them all the time. If you cannot handle the negatives with the
>positives, don't go asking for them and insulting those of us who bother to
>spend the time checking out your work.
>
>If you want to knock my spelling, then, erm, it's SOMETHING not somming,
and
>I think that there may be a few to argue my knowledge of Flash3.
>
>The 600k bandwidth issue: In HTML, a NON-STREAMING media, the high-end
that
>I work with is 35k per page. If you're going to talk to someone as if they
>know nothing, then you really should do more homework. Other than that
fact
>that there are some die-hard Flashers here, you need to understand that
>there are some die-hard designers here, as well. What we'll tell you is
>that 600k smix-hundred-k; it's too long to wait for an average end user
that
>is still at approximately 28k and who's interest span is roughly 10 seconds
>per page.
>
>You do the math.
>
>>Secondly you should also bear in mind that FLASH4 is out one of these days
>>and that Alcazar ver4 is on the way that will EVEN be smaller and load
even
>>faster doing EXACTLY the same and more...
>
>
>I don't think that *I* need to bear that in mind in the least; we've all
>known it was/is coming. Flash 5 is coming one of these days, too, but
>that's not going to make me wait to see how much quicker your site loads.
>This is rapidly going from me offering you professional criticism to you
>creating a pissing contest.
>
>>You comment sux buddio and ... that is NOT positive critisizm if I ever
saw
>>it thanx for the kind wording moron.
>
>
>Then *do NOT* ask for criticism on this list. Period. As a site, it
sucks.
>As a presentation on a CD, it's quite nice. I'm not changing my stance
here
>because you cannot present yourself in a professional manner.
>
>>BTW - where is you lil site so I can have a lil laugh too ...
>
>
>I'll happily email you samples of work of done, as well as a copy of the
>article I've consulted on for Flash, off-line, if you'd like that. There's
>no need to repost these sites and the work I've done when the people here
>have already seen it.
>
>>And I repeat myself again ... the GABO wheel was a challenge to me and
grew
>>into that ... I am NOT going to re-build the whole thing just to please
ppl
>>like YOU.
>
>
>Congratulations; it's not about the fact that you "grew into that". That's
>great; a lot of learning comes from repurposing other work. Repurposing.
>No one asked you to rebuild your site. Perhaps rebuild your negative
>attitude; we're all here to help and when a new user hops on and throws
this
>type of a response onto the list, it does nothing but push the collective
>"us" further away from helping others, and that's not the way it should
>work, at all.
>
>>Here is a lil challenge RUSS - "TRY to Copy that site ROFL!"
>
>
>I *try* not to copy anyone else's work...at least not with permission for
>the repurpose, first.
>
>Best of luck to you in your professional endeavors.
>
>Russ
>
>>Kind Regards
>>DJT (Pieter Olwage)
>>http://www.alcazar.co.za
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Russell E. Unger [rungeratzaxcoms [dot] com (mailto:rungeratzaxcoms [dot] com)]
>>Sent: 25 May 1999 06:37
>>To: flasheratshocker [dot] com
>>Subject: FLASH: Alcatraz site
>>
>>
>>I must admit to liking this site...as a presentaiton...but, a 650k web
>>site? Plus additional loading from within? I find it hard to believe
>>that the end user was thought of in the creation of this site; more so
>>that the ego of a decent Flasher, instead.
>>
>>It has some great stuff to it, but I'm failing to see why so much
>>bandwidth was used, and I am curious to know why Gabo/Revolver stuff was
>>repurposed...I mean, it's okay to do that sort of thing, but I'd be
>>hesitant to showing it to other Flashers, if I did that.
>>
>>I think the whole thing would go better on the CD that the club
>>offers...perhaps as the "enhanced" part of it all. I mean it; it's a
>>nice piece and there's some nice and cool stuff inside of it, but as a
>>web site...well, it sucks.
>>
>>Of course, as usual, I could be extremely wrong here.
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>
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>
>Russell E. Unger
>ZAX Communications
>Multimedia & Internet Design & Development
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>630.223.6916 :vm/pgr
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