RE: UKNM: FW: pretty poor if you ask me (KMM342302C0KM)

[Richard Bailey]

Rich_BaileyYahoo [dot] com

Please name me your source of stats; where lastminute.com (UK site) got more

hits than Microsoft.com (Worlds largest software producer) where 1,000,000 a

month upgrade there win32 OS and MSN (hotmail.com as well).  Please let me

know where you found this info?  And given that Microsoft are so small they

would not want to use their own product ASP, why else did they create it?  I

do not see lastminute.com in Internet.com's top ten traffic sites but alas I

do see MSN there, they must be wrong.  I did not bother reading on since you

lost my confidence on traffic stats.



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Subject: RE: UKNM: FW: pretty poor if you ask me (KMM342302C0KM)



Its not the technology they used that causes this, its the way they use this

technology.


ASP is used by buy.com, nasdaq.com, microsoft.com, msn.com. So what

lastminute.com gets more traffic than those guys.


ASP is only the interface between the user and the server, and should not be

used as the back-end. as you mention this should be in either EJB/COM+ and

managing these components on a distributed environment, linking further to a

robust DB environment.


Load-balancing effectively does not really need a single session flying

about on multiple servers, which is a lot harder to manage, but its a

strategy which should go from the Leased line connection through to the

Database at the backend


They can throw more box's in, using any standard of the shelf load balancer,

but there problem could be at the DB end and with the connection pooling

objects.


And your right maybe they should use coldfusion, this has been designed by a

small company for people who can't really program.


NB ASP 2 has been and gone, and your on about ASP+ a totally different ball

game, this is going to blow all others out of the water, with native support

for a lot of component driven tasks.




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From: Nicholas Tettenborn [

barontbackend [dot] co [dot] uk (mailto:barontbackend [dot] co [dot] uk)

]

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:07 PM

To:

uk-netmarketingchinwag [dot] com

Subject: RE: UKNM: FW: pretty poor if you ask me (KMM342302C0KM)



The problem with lastminute could be their original choice in using ASP as

the programming language....


ASP is extremely difficult to properly scale/load balance if you try to

maintain state (which lastminute I guess would have to) this seems partly

why Microsoft is bringing in ASP 2 and .net...


Here is a quote from Microsofts own technical article...

"HTTP servers. A system of independent IIS servers, using any distribution

or load-balancing strategy, services HTTP requests from the Internet. As

demand for any resource increases, that resource or branch can be routed to

an underutilized computer. In order to exploit this powerful distribution

capability, your application needs to encapsulate HTTP requests so that they

provide all the information necessary to fulfill the request. By eliminating

reliance on server caching for a client between requests, the application

request set becomes stateless. Although ASP provides the Session object for

state caching on the server, dependence on this feature may limit an

application's ability to scale because the Session object is not shared

across IIS servers. "


http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/techart/msdn_aspscale.htm



If they had done it in Java(EJB's), Coldfusion or Perl/Mod_Perl/Apache they

would have been able to just throw more boxes at the spike in traffic...  If

the problem was really to do with the number of users...


Ohh yeah.. backend offer scalable robust and secure solutions from the

above.... If last minute wish to have a rewrite then I am sure we can

accomodate you. You will have to do it eventually! or are you already doing

it?....


Nick


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Backend

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London

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tel 020 7247 6664

fax 020 7247 9996

www.backend.co.uk


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