Re: UKNM: Top e-commerce sites

[Stefan Magdalinski]

Neil Ellul wrote:

> 

> Stefan

> 

>  >no doubt I'll get called a twat again, but may I be frank?

> 

> I suppose purporting to be a "frank twat" gives you an excuse to be abusive?

> 

>  >what a load of shit. if you believe that that list is a accurate

>  >reflection of who's doing 'top 20 ecommerce sites in the UK' then you're

>  >an idiot.

> 

> My colleague probably answered in haste, not fully realising the tiny

> attention span of some of the posters to this list.

> 

> If he had considered this, he may have answered in the following way:

> 

> Moran, while quite obviously NOT a list of ecommerce sites, does offer an

> interesting view of UK companies and their ability to survive online.

> Therefore, it is probably worth looking at when compiling a list of

> ecommerce sites.

> 

> I have looked at Moran's methodology quite closely and believe it to be the

> most accurate assessment of the UK digital economy to date.

> 

>  >how many of those companies let you buy stuff online?

> 

> Ah! So ecommerce is just about buying stuff? Presumably you don't believe

> that any other form of activity (say, reductions in supply chain costs,


presumably, based on what? 


> completing part of an order online or 


would be bizarre, but if you must. 


> even marketing products to be sold off line) could be construed as ecommerce.


not a very practical definition of ecommerce. Is marketing products on

television a different sort of commerce from marketing with newspapers?



but even by those criteria, most of those companies are still doing

nothing, or next to nothing. A couple in the list particularly piss me

off.


I bank with natwest, and I still can't bank online. or send an email to

my acct manager. 2 years after I was promised. but that's not even the

point. Moran claim their public website is the 9th best in the UK. Pls

enjoy:


http://www.natwest.co.uk


last time I looked (about 3 months ago) , they were asking me to submit

my acct details on an insecure form. and I complained about it in UKNM.

very clued up. 


and Logica pitched at us a few weeks ago for an e-commerce site

proposal, with a document that included the recommendation that we don't

take credit cards online. Next!


stefan


> 

> I think sites like Jamba, Yahoo! or Ginger Online would claim to be at the

> forefront of ecommerce but don't sell "stuff" yet.


a great many many sites would claim it. but that doesn't mean that they

are.


just like almost every consultancy now claims to be e-commerce experts. 


and finally, the http://www.dictionary.com definition of 'commerce' for

comparison.


commerce \Com"merce\, n.


   Note: (Formerly accented on the second syllable.) [F. commerce, L.

commercium; com- + merx, mercis, merchandise. See

   Merchant.] 1. The exchange or buying and selling of commodities; esp.

the exchange of merchandise, on a large scale, between

   different places or communities; extended trade or traffic.


I don't see why sticking 'e' in front of it, suddenly means that it no

longer means buying or selling, but actually just marketing, or building

touchy feely brochureware sites. 


stefan


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